 I'm with COCO - or LENO?, Tonight Show Drama |
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  January 23, 2010, 01:37 AM
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 Commander  Group: Klingon Empire Posts: 1358 Joined: September 7, 2002 From: Starbug Member No.: 23  |
Tonight is the final episode of the Tonight show with Conan O'Brien - who, as you may know, re-located from NY to LA so that he could succeed Jay Leno as the next host of the show - over the show's 50 odd years of broadcast. Now, after only 7 months of hosting the show, Conan is leaving so that Leno can return as host of the show.
Details of the show and a brief summary of the controversy can be reviewed in the news, and also here: wiki tonight show. Personally, I think NBC is making a mistake. Leno was a good host, but I think Conan is the better choice for the long term b/c as time progresses, the younger audience of today will become the Tonight show audience of tomorrow - and Conan relates better to that audience than Jay. It's 10:30pm as I write this, so I have another hour to wait before its broadcast. But I wont miss it. I wonder what the ratings for tonight's show will be. -------------------- I asked my 8 year old son what he wanted to be when he grows up. He said he didn't know. I said he could be anything he wants to be. Then I asked my 4 year old daughter who had been quietly listening. She said, "a robot."
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January 23, 2010, 02:28 AM
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 Goa'uld  Group: Starfleet Command, c 2266 Posts: 11641 Joined: September 4, 2002 From: Icecrown Citadel, Icecrown Member No.: 1 |
I really couldn't care less for NBC. Hasn't really had any good programming in a while, and I was laughing more at the jokes everyone was making against NBC during the whole drama session.
I always liked Conan when he was on late nite but when he moved to the tonight show he just recycled leno's jokes. I dunno, he seemed more funny when he was on late nite. Leno has always been good at joking at current events news stories and celebrities. -------------------- If you take the numbers from the order that each letter in Berman's name is in the alphabet, times it by 217.678, divide it by the number of people that quit watching ENT, integrate this value onto an exponential graph, the gradient of this graph is in fact 5318008 which spells "boobies" upside down.
"It is better to have pwned and quit than never to have pwned at all." ~ Shalind "KILL THAT DAMN ROGUE!!" ~ World of Warcraft, Alliance Battleground Chat in reference to me "Tis cool..." |
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January 23, 2010, 01:27 PM
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Commander Group: Klingon Empire Posts: 1358 Joined: September 7, 2002 From: Starbug Member No.: 23 |
good point about Leno and his ability to tell more current event/topical jokes. I think that is an important quality for the host of the Tonight show (and less so important for the host of Late Night), and Conan's comedy is more on the silly side.
I have to admit that I haven't watched a single episode of the Tonight show with Conan since he got the show (with the exception of Conan's final show last night) - I think I took it for granted that he would just be there for many years to come. but, there were a LOT of commercials. I don't know if it was because the network expected higher ratings, or that I just never noticed how many commercials the free air-wave channels need to pay the bills. anyway, he said as part of the settlement deal, he can't host another show for at least 7 months (and then he said keep your eyes out for the Andy Richter show with sidekick Conan O'Brien). I don't know where he could go to host a show - the other two free airwave networks have Letterman and Kimmel. He would have to go to Fox or some other cable network. -------------------- I asked my 8 year old son what he wanted to be when he grows up. He said he didn't know. I said he could be anything he wants to be. Then I asked my 4 year old daughter who had been quietly listening. She said, "a robot."
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January 24, 2010, 11:40 AM
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Fleet Captain  Group: Provisional Officer Posts: 3108 Joined: February 7, 2005 From: Not Known Member No.: 411 |
He'll be on Fox as soon as he's allowed to be. And I'm sure he'll get third in the ratings...I just don't think enough young people watch network late night shows, and I think a lot of older people don't get Conan's humor. I, on the other hand, love the way he does things, and I think he'd fit in great on FOX. And I hope they're willing to give him what he wants...security for the show, a chance to grow and succeed, and freedom to do the kind of show he wants to do. If he gets that, I think he'll succeed there.
If they're expecting Conan to beat Letterman or Leno, at least at first, I don't think that's going to happen. People will tune in to see Conan's first few shows (like they tuned in for his last few ones), but Leno and Letterman are the big guns. Fox is going to have to be happy with Conan the same way that ABC is happy with Kimmel...who is never mentioned in the ratings. Obviously, as far as the debate goes, I side with Conan because I think he got screwed. And the more I hear, the more I don't really blame Jay - I don't think he ever really wanted to leave in the first place. If he's pulling a Favre, then that's one thing. But if he was getting forced out, that's something entirely different. And it'd be a reason why NBC is quickly becoming the joke of the big three networks. -------------------- Member of the Month - July 2005
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January 24, 2010, 01:51 PM
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Goa'uld Group: Starfleet Command, c 2266 Posts: 11641 Joined: September 4, 2002 From: Icecrown Citadel, Icecrown Member No.: 1 |
NBC has been the joke of the network for years.
-------------------- If you take the numbers from the order that each letter in Berman's name is in the alphabet, times it by 217.678, divide it by the number of people that quit watching ENT, integrate this value onto an exponential graph, the gradient of this graph is in fact 5318008 which spells "boobies" upside down.
"It is better to have pwned and quit than never to have pwned at all." ~ Shalind "KILL THAT DAMN ROGUE!!" ~ World of Warcraft, Alliance Battleground Chat in reference to me "Tis cool..." |
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January 25, 2010, 03:26 AM
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Commander Group: Klingon Empire Posts: 1358 Joined: September 7, 2002 From: Starbug Member No.: 23 |
My only gripe about Conan going to Fox, is that Fox has such a terrible track record for late night talk shows - remember the Arsenio Hall show, and even Chevy Chase's star power couldn't make it work.
see this website for a history of failed attempts at Fox to have a competing late night talk show. That network is just cursed when it comes to talk shows. -------------------- I asked my 8 year old son what he wanted to be when he grows up. He said he didn't know. I said he could be anything he wants to be. Then I asked my 4 year old daughter who had been quietly listening. She said, "a robot."
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January 26, 2010, 09:34 AM
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 High Chancellor  Group: Klingon Empire Posts: 23916 Joined: September 7, 2002 From: a Douwd, currently undercover. Member No.: 15 |
They never should have changed the markup in the first place. NBC should have kept Leno in the Tonight Show and Conan in Late Night. After all, Leno still has a good fifteen years in him. Never change a winning team. This was a disaster waiting to happen.
-------------------- Gratias tibi ago, domine. Haec credam a deo pio? A deo iusto, a deo scito? Cruciatus in crucem. Tuus in terra servus, nuntius fui. Officium perfeci. Cruciatus in crucem. Eas in crucem!
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| Waterloo |
January 26, 2010, 01:10 PM
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 Admiral  Group: Starfleet Command, c 2150 Posts: 11056 Joined: September 7, 2002 From: Credit Dauphine Member No.: 33 |
Sided with Conan big time. Leno hasn't been relevant or seemed like he was having fun in years, and Conan is exactly the opposite. If you really wanted to keep your current topic monologues, well, you would still have had Letterman, who's more like Leno these days than Conan (though I'll watch Letterman again now that his competition is back to Leno).
Leno could have done a million different things with his prime time show, but he ended up doing exactly what he had always done. If he really likes standup, he could have emphasized that. If he really likes making fun of stupid people, he could have emphasized that. But he basically kept everything the same, including interviewing celebrities, which wasn't necessary at all. For that reason alone, because he had no interest in coming up with something new, it's like he wanted this to happen all along. Nobody but the people just watching a late night talk show with an inoffensive host really cared to have him hosting The Tonight Show in the first place. No one. Ever. And now he's got the job back. -------------------- Wheaton!!!
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February 22, 2010, 11:58 AM
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 Lieutenant J.G.  Group: Starfleet Command Posts: 332 Joined: November 11, 2002 From: Cygnus X-1 Member No.: 168 |
Voted for Conan..I like them both. Jay Leno but a smile on my face..But Conan made me laugh out load.
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